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post #31 of 55
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I didn't start this thread to make people feel as if they needed to defend their right to use assistance if they qualify.  I don't think any of our forum members abuse the system.  Like I said, food stamps serve a purpose.  It's just too bad that the loopholes in the system make it possible to abuse it.  I think people are fed up with the abuse, even if that only happens in rare instances.  

 

ETA:  Plus, the abusers are giving honest people the feeling that they need to defend themselves.  If I were on assistance, I think I'd be mad at the abusers for making me feel that way.

post #32 of 55
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Originally Posted by Ava's_Mommy View Post

Come to Polk County Minnesota and you will get on assistance before you even walk into the office to apply for it!  Very, very easy where I live.  And most people are on it.  My dh's sister and brother-in-law are on assistance because the company they worked for locked out their employees on a contract disagreement.  Instead of going to find a new job - they have been sitting at home doing nothing for the past 11 months, collecting assistance.  And at the same time going out to eat almost daily because she doesn't like to cook, driving to our town which is 45 miles round trip - just because they are bored.  And bringing their kids to the doctor anytime because as Kasey says "it's free".  She's obviously uneducated about assistance and that it's actually not free - I'm paying for your multiple trips to the ER cause your daughter says her tummy hurts. 

I also know many, many people that 1 spouse works full-time and receives a paycheck and the other spouse works full time and receives cash.  And they are on assistance. 

These are the kind of people that make me want to foam at the mouth. It's ridiculous for two able bodied people to sit on their butts and collect assistance just because they can. And you're right.....it's not free, only free to them. I drive a 1997 van, don't have a fancy phone AT ALL, don't have cable TV, and instead pay my bills. So I'm living frugally to support people like this who think it's free. Makes me sick.
post #33 of 55
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These are the kind of people that make me want to foam at the mouth. It's ridiculous for two able bodied people to sit on their butts and collect assistance just because they can. And you're right.....it's not free, only free to them. I drive a 1997 van, don't have a fancy phone AT ALL, don't have cable TV, and instead pay my bills. So I'm living frugally to support people like this who think it's free. Makes me sick.


EXACTLY. 

post #34 of 55
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I didn't start this thread to make people feel as if they needed to defend their right to use assistance if they qualify.  I don't think any of our forum members abuse the system.  Like I said, food stamps serve a purpose.  It's just too bad that the loopholes in the system make it possible to abuse it.  I think people are fed up with the abuse, even if that only happens in rare instances.  

 

ETA:  Plus, the abusers are giving honest people the feeling that they need to defend themselves.  If I were on assistance, I think I'd be mad at the abusers for making me feel that way.

 

I do feel the need to defend myself for using it for two months and I also feel the need to defend others who use it. I see it often, and right here with the Pinterest post, that people just assume anyone with something nice along with a Foodstamp card, are abusing the system. I feel like I need to wear a sign that says, "Yes, I am using foodstamps for 2 months and I do have a nice car and a nice phone, but I was raped by my husband and needed help getting on my own with my children." Unfortunately, and I've seen this said HERE in these forums, there are those who think I should've foreseen that something like this could've happened and should've saved up money, from the meager allowance I was given every week for groceries or just not had kids with the man at all because one day I might not be able to afford them. The point I always try to make is that we have NO IDEA what a person's circumstances are. 

post #35 of 55

Wendy, the assumption is that, even if you didn't have the opportunity to save up money for your departure, that you would have had some other kind of safety net in terms of family, friends or a religious community. Now I know that in the case of abused women, the abuser makes sure that the avenues to those safety nets are cut off. They even try to limit access to legal means of support. I also used food stamps for a short while. I tried not to but I don't feel guilty for it - because I knew I was going to get off of the system very quickly.

 

The only time I felt uncomfortable using an EBT card was when we first got custody of DD. At the time she was a ward of the state so she received a bit of financial support from the government. They paid the support on an EBT card. I mostly bought groceries with the money because I was spending so much on special lessons and therapy for her. I could have gone to an ATM and withdrawn money or got cash-back at WalMart but that just seemed wrong. So there I was buying groceries on an EBT card when clearly I didn't NEED the government to buy my groceries.

post #36 of 55

I think people need to relax lol

 

Yes, it's there as assistance. Yes, some people use it legitamately. Yes, some people abuse it.

 

The picture was just poking a little fun at the latter group  rolleyes.gif

post #37 of 55
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Originally Posted by Karen1985 View Post

I think people need to relax lol

 

Yes, it's there as assistance. Yes, some people use it legitamately. Yes, some people abuse it.

 

The picture was just poking a little fun at the latter group  rolleyes.gif

 

Agreed! It seems to me that those that are getting the most offended are the ones that feel guilty about the whole thing...where they should or not.  I have a friend who used WIC and gov. insurance for her kids while her husband finished law school.  Considering they would be paying taxes out of the butt for the rest of their lives, why shouldn't they use those resources.  I mean should they get in even more debt to feed their kids?  Should they NOT take them to the doctor's because they can't afford it.  It's nice that government assistance was available.

 

On the flip side, as a kid, I think we were one of the few families on my street that wasn't on welfare, and for a couple years my Dad was laid off and couldn't find a good job.  My parents probably should have been on welfare, WIC, and the free school lunch program. They just chose not to.  I do remember being a kid and listening to a couple of the moms on my street complaining about their welfare checks.  I was only like 9 at the time and didn't understand all of what they were saying. I just knew that neither of them had jobs and sure spent a lot of money on their smoking habits. Plus I remember going to the grocery store and the person in front of us buying steak and seafood with their food stamps, meanwhile my mom is buying spaghetti and Prego to feed us.  I know my parents felt that was wrong and I remember them saying so. 

 

In a way I think it was pride that kept my parents off food stamps and other gov. help.  They had 4 small kids when my Dad got laid off.  In their circumstance, I personally would probably accept gov. help, knowing that I would get off it as soon as I got back on my feet.  It took my parents years to get out of the debt they got into during those couple years.  They wouldn't have had to put our groceries on the credit card and could have gotten out of debt faster had they took some assistance.

 

It's up to individual people to be smart and responsible about using gov. assistance.  It's a personal issue that only you can decide.  If everyone had integrity, Kim's post wouldn't even exist in the first place.

post #38 of 55

I have no problem with the people that truly need state assistance. I DO have a problem with people that abuse the problem. Me neighbor for example. She has approached me a few times asking if I wanted to buy her food stamps. I have reported her to the state and guess what, she's still on food stamps and STILL abusing the system.

 

I clip coupons, save my money, eat ramen noodles when times are tough and get to stand in the grocery line next to people getting cooked fried chicken, cooked crab legs wearing $200 shoes, nails and hair done and then getting into their pimped out cars. I have a REAL big problem accepting the fact that they get to live the wonderful life but according to the state, they are broke and can't afford to feed themselves.

 

This post should only offend the people that are taking advantage of the system. If you truly need assistance then I commend you for stepping up and taking the assistance, I see people all the time that would rather struggle and let their pride get the best of them than reach out for a helping hand.


Edited by oopsilostmyhalo - 6/7/12 at 5:54pm
post #39 of 55

I think the controversy started because the original pinterest post noted that the welfare recipient had an iphone and a mani/pedi. Obviously the iphone could have been from before the need for assistance and they couldn't have gotten out of the contract or needed a smart phone to aid in their job search. The mani/pedi is another story - unless that also is related to the job search. Who knows.

 

I've said before - and I'll repeat - "welfare" is NOT easy to get, nor is it very much money. Real "welfare" (actually TANF - temporary assistance to needy families) is only about $300 or $400 a month - hardly enough to live on. In many states it is much, much lower. And there are many requirements associated with obtaining welfare including drug testing in some states and, in all states, attendance at job search programs. In some states, there is also a lifetime limit as to how long you can collect benefits. For instance, in Idaho the limit is two years - total for your whole adult lifetime.

 

Other assistance programs, namely food stamps (SNAP) and Medicaid, have a lower threshold for qualification but they are just as burdensome as far as requirements such as the job search provision and the lifetime limit. The threshold is determined by the poverty rate in your area for your family size.

 

Medicaid is the easiest to qualify for but that is because mostly it is just children and some pregnant women who get it. Adults without children DO NOT qualify for any of these benefits (unless you're a refugee and other minor exceptions; immigrants legal or illegal don't qualify). If you don't have children, you're SOL. Medicaid also doesn't usually cover dental care. If you see a childless adult with state provided medical coverage they are almost always on disability. Thank the Social Security system for that program.

 

Food stamps is probably the most lucrative program but it is awarded on a sliding scale depending on your income - verified independently not just based on what the person reports. Food stamps can be up to $125 a week per person in the household. Again, the household has to have children to qualify. An elderly husband and wife wouldn't qualify. Often the food stamp award is less. Since hubby was receiving unemployment, we got far less than the maximum. If I remember we got something like $275 for the month - for a family of three. They'll tell you up front that with the food stamp program you ARE expected to supplement the food budget so even people on disability are expected to kick in some toward their own food. Food stamps is designed to keep you from starving. It isn't there to keep you healthy. It isn't meant to even provide a nutritionally complete source of food.

 

Other programs, one that always appalls me, is housing assistance. Some people get nice - really, really nice - apartments for almost nothing. I know a woman who had two kids and she got a three bedroom, two-story townhouse for only $48 a month. Housing assistance is probably the most abused government benefit but it is still very difficult to get because you have to find your own apartment, then get the assistance.

 

Other than that, there are all the "free-bees" that come with being very poor. There are clothing assistance programs, especially for kids at back-to-school. There are food banks which provide the basics which means people can go out to the grocery store and just buy meat and other refrigerator items with their food stamp money. There are all sorts of ways to get lower cost utilities and even free furniture. Mississippi has a low-cost cellphone program for poor families and most land-line phone companies have a "lifeline" rate (about $12 a month).

 

The one policy that makes all this very tough is, with the sudden downturn in the economy where people who used to be doing very well are now out of work for a long period of time, the Health & Welfare Dept lifted some of the financial thresholds. For instance, it used to be you couldn't own a house or a car that was worth over a certain amount of money. However, the government soon realized that one of the reasons people still had these items (a nice house, a nice car) was because they couldn't sell them for what they were really worth. I know people who would try to sell valuable items to make ends meet - a nice leather couch, for instance - and people would make ridiculously low offers because they knew the people needed money. Besides, with so many people falling on hard time, who was going to buy? On top of that, if most of your house or car was financed, you might not even be able to sell it and pay off the loan. Many people were underwater on their debts. So yes, someone could be driving their brand new Hummer to the welfare office but little do we know that the vehicle is about to be repossessed.

 

Anyway, my point is that welfare (TANF, food assistance, Medicaid and housing assistance) really isn't that easy to get and even if you get it, it really isn't a luxurious lifestyle. If you know people who are living "high on the hog" while getting these benefits, they are either lying to you or they are cheating the system. For instance, you can't be a college student and collect welfare / food stamps - even if you're a grad student trying to get your law degree. When people are doing those things, they're lying somewhere to someone.

post #40 of 55
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Originally Posted by ChickyHip View Post

The point I always try to make is that we have NO IDEA what a person's circumstances are. 

 

Very true.  That's a good reminder.  Thanks, ChickyHip!

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