I don't understand what you mean by "I don't believe in the gay lifestyle". Some people are straight, some are gay, some are bi. Sliding scale of sexuality, so to speak. You are attracted to who you are attracted to. You love who you love. There is no more of a gay "lifestyle" than there is a straight "lifestyle". You are attracted to someone. You might date or marry them or live together. You may or may not have kids together. It's the same either way, except society makes one illegal and the other not.
gay lifestyle=man with man, woman with woman. Biblically unacceptable. That is what I do not believe in or choose. Does this mean I condemn my uncle and his partner? Nope. As a matter of fact I love them dearly and teach my children to love them and respect them as well. I have a handful of friends who are gay or bi. They know where I stand morally and it doesn't matter. We are still friends. So I guess a more accurate phrase would be the gay sexual lifstyle.
Lev 18:22-23 "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination." Lev 20:13 "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death." 1 Cor 6:9 "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals" 1 Tim 1:9-10 "realizing the fact that (civil) law is not made for a righteous man, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers"
Lev 18:22-23 "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination." Lev 20:13 "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death." 1 Cor 6:9 "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals" 1 Tim 1:9-10 "realizing the fact that (civil) law is not made for a righteous man, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers"
This is where I get confused. Who is granted the power for that? God, the church, Christians....
How can you preach forgiveness and tolerance in one hand, and then death in the other? That's where I have problems with organized religion, the bible is, well, the bible. I don't think it's there for believers to pick and choose the parts they want to believe and ignore. And some of the verbiage (ie: highlighted above) is downright scary.
Also, this is totally off topic but something I've been wondering about. If God created Adam and Eve, and they were the beginning of humanity, then everyone is related (I'm sure incest is mentioned as a no-no in the bible somewhere [yes, I'm completely guessing], but with just two people on the face of the earth how else did people as a whole get here?) How can you (not you, hypothetical) choose to be bigoted and hateful towards fellow man based on any differences such as color of skin or other religions? If you use the bible as the basis of how to live your life, then everyone literally is God's children, including those that you disagree with. And, if God didn't want man to have differing opinions or lifestyles then why would there be free will...obviously it means people are free to make their own choices so why condemn them for it? But then despite all that, you're supposed to kill those who are 'abominations'. Too many contradictions. It's certainly interesting to think about. I wonder about things like that all the time, as is probably known through my rambling. It makes zero sense to me haha
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gay lifestyle=man with man, woman with woman. Biblically unacceptable. That is what I do not believe in or choose.
People BELIEVE in Santa, or the tooth fairy, or other unprovable concepts, such as God Gay people exist and live, so it's not a matter of belief - what you are really saying is that you do not APPROVE of them. You love your gay uncle but at the same time you do not approve of his personal behavior with the man he loves, much as you might not approve of, say, a relative's illegal drug use, or their "druggie lifestyle."
Obviously, I think quoting the bible in matters like this is ridiculous as the Bible is not a life guide for the majority of earth's population, and it was written in a very different time & is, in many ways, not applicable to current times.
I'm wondering your thoughts on these other sins or abominations according to the Bible. Do you condemn them as well, or just homosexuality?
- Eating shellfish
- Wearing clothes made of more than one fabric
- Getting raped (this only goes for the ladies, but you can smooth things over by marrying your rapist, so…)
- Trimming your beard or sideburns
- Getting remarried
- Planting more than one crop in a field
- Having a wet dream
- Eating rare meat
- Touching a dead animal
- Menstruating
- Getting a tattoo
I appreciate that you think the little boy singing the song is just awful, and that you are not passing hatred/bigotry to your children, and maintain relationships with the homosexuals in your life. That is something many Christians cannot do.
Lastly, I've never understood why so many Christians point to books of the Old Testament. Jesus supposedly brought the NEW Testament for Christians to follow.
gay lifestyle=man with man, woman with woman. Biblically unacceptable. That is what I do not believe in or choose. Does this mean I condemn my uncle and his partner? Nope. As a matter of fact I love them dearly and teach my children to love them and respect them as well. I have a handful of friends who are gay or bi. They know where I stand morally and it doesn't matter. We are still friends. So I guess a more accurate phrase would be the gay sexual lifstyle.
Lev 18:22-23 "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination." Lev 20:13 "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death." 1 Cor 6:9 "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals" 1 Tim 1:9-10 "realizing the fact that (civil) law is not made for a righteous man, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers"
Do you like pork: Because if you do it is also Biblically unacceptable.
Deuteronomy 14:8: And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcase.
Did you or your husband ever get drunk: Because if you did it is also Biblically unacceptable.
Ephesians 5:18: And be not drunk with wine, in which is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;
Do you enjoy shellfish: Because if you do it is also Biblically unacceptable.
Leviticus 11:9-12 says:
9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.
Were you disrespectful of your parents as a child and even to a point still ? Biblically unacceptable
"For everyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death. He has cursed his father or his mother. His blood shall be upon him." (Leviticus 20:9)
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If you want to follow the bibles messages word for word - then fine - I am not one to judge. But do not pick and choose which versus to follow, and only choose the ones that suit you and your lifestyle.
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People BELIEVE in Santa, or the tooth fairy, or other unprovable concepts, such as God Gay people exist and live, so it's not a matter of belief - what you are really saying is that you do not APPROVE of them. You love your gay uncle but at the same time you do not approve of his personal behavior with the man he loves, much as you might not approve of, say, a relative's illegal drug use, or their "druggie lifestyle."
Obviously, I think quoting the bible in matters like this is ridiculous as the Bible is not a life guide for the majority of earth's population, and it was written in a very different time & is, in many ways, not applicable to current times.
I'm wondering your thoughts on these other sins or abominations according to the Bible. Do you condemn them as well, or just homosexuality?
- Eating shellfish
- Wearing clothes made of more than one fabric
- Getting raped (this only goes for the ladies, but you can smooth things over by marrying your rapist, so…)
- Trimming your beard or sideburns
- Getting remarried
- Planting more than one crop in a field
- Having a wet dream
- Eating rare meat
- Touching a dead animal
- Menstruating
- Getting a tattoo
I appreciate that you think the little boy singing the song is just awful, and that you are not passing hatred/bigotry to your children, and maintain relationships with the homosexuals in your life. That is something many Christians cannot do.
Lastly, I've never understood why so many Christians point to books of the Old Testament. Jesus supposedly brought the NEW Testament for Christians to follow.
This is exactly why we follow only the teaching of Jesus Christ in this house!! We are red letter Christians, and believe that Christ's teachings should be the guide for our life. Christ promoted tolerance of love, and did not judge others. The people in his life were prostitutes, lepers, and other "undesirables". He did not shun anyone, and certainly did not pass judgement on them. He knew that was the job of his Father. We do not judge anyone, not matter what our personal views on their lifestyle is. If you break the law you go to jail, but laws of the land should not be based on any religion. We are not in the Middle East this is America where people need to keep their religion out of my politics and I will keep my politics out of their religion. Also, we should learn to let hard working decent people live their lives in peach. Homophobia is the new racism, and one day I hope we look back embarrassed on our treatment of them seeing how wrong it is to use the bible to condemn a people because you (generic) fear their differences.
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Obviously, I think quoting the bible in matters like this is ridiculous as the Bible is not a life guide for the majority of earth's population, and it was written in a very different time & is, in many ways, not applicable to current times.
Lastly, I've never understood why so many Christians point to books of the Old Testament. Jesus supposedly brought the NEW Testament for Christians to follow.
These are two points that I argue with so many people when they point out passages from the bible to contradict my more open beliefs...my dds being among them. I am Catholic but I have a very hard time with so much of this. I also like to point out that the bible was written by MEN and maybe they were inspired by God or maybe they were just inspired by their own self importance.
In regards to the song - I feel sorry for the child being brainwashed. At that age he is just singing a song he has been taught. A horrible and narrow minded song however. But considering his parents consider the teachings of this church to be good - he is going to end up as closed minded as the rest of the congregation.
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People BELIEVE in Santa, or the tooth fairy, or other unprovable concepts, such as God Gay people exist and live, so it's not a matter of belief - what you are really saying is that you do not APPROVE of them. You love your gay uncle but at the same time you do not approve of his personal behavior with the man he loves, much as you might not approve of, say, a relative's illegal drug use, or their "druggie lifestyle."
Obviously, I think quoting the bible in matters like this is ridiculous as the Bible is not a life guide for the majority of earth's population, and it was written in a very different time & is, in many ways, not applicable to current times.
I'm wondering your thoughts on these other sins or abominations according to the Bible. Do you condemn them as well, or just homosexuality?
- Eating shellfish
- Wearing clothes made of more than one fabric
- Getting raped (this only goes for the ladies, but you can smooth things over by marrying your rapist, so…)
- Trimming your beard or sideburns
- Getting remarried
- Planting more than one crop in a field
- Having a wet dream
- Eating rare meat
- Touching a dead animal
- Menstruating
- Getting a tattoo
When the bible speaks of putting to death I honestly take that to mean eternity. Each denomination of religion interprets the bible in its own way. Example being that Lutherans believe in baptizing as close to birth as possible and pentecostals believe in baptizing when you decide for yourself to be baptized. Nazerene do either or. My own belief is that old testament laws were designed to encourage the people to live right as according to what God desired. New testament brings Jesus to earth to preach his Fathers word. Kind of like when our children were little we would not allow them to eat dangerous foods. As adults we chose ourselves not to because we now know why. Remember, in old testament times they did not have the word of God to use as a guide as they do now. Jesus teachings were not yet heard or experienced.
Calimari I would not say I disapprove of so much as disagree with my uncles lifestyle. I can disagree with someone without judging them or condemning them. I disagree with my children, my parents, my spouse from time to time. Doesn't mean I am judging them just accepting that we have differing opinions/thoughts/ideas on things. I also feel that some things in the bible are letter of the law and some are spirit of the law. And I can tell you, DH has a tat and I hate it and have issue with it. (plus it is a chicago bears tat and I am a green bay packer fan). I also think that some teachings of the Old Testament were made irrelevant once Jesus came to earth and when he died for us. (being put to death for disrespecting yoru parents Lev 20:9)
Most important of all I am not perfect. Never claimed to be and never will be. THat is not what being a christian is about. Being a christian is about trying adn being forgiven. I stumble and fall like anyone else. Thanks to Jesus death on the cross my debt of sin is paid if I only ask and accept it. Does this mean sin, repent then commit same sin again? Nope. Forgiveness isn't a get out of jail card to go and purposely sin.
I also think that some teachings of the Old Testament were made irrelevant once Jesus came to earth and when he died for us. (being put to death for disrespecting yoru parents Lev 20:9)
OK, so if you think that one is irrelevant because of Jesus, why not others, such as the ones about man laying with man? I don't believe Jesus ever addressed homosexuality. There are many arguments about the quotes, misinterpretations/ bad translations - many do not believe that they represent homosexuality to be a sin at all. Since there are so many different interpretations/translations of the bible, I don't see how anyone can see it as a cut and dry issue.
