I have to agree with most of the posters. First, I would not bring my kids anywhere near my brother if he had molested me when I was little and was even thought to have done the same thing with his kids. If my parents didn't support me in this, then I would have to accept that. My kids come first. Second, as I have been reading the posts over the past few days, all I see is how mixed up the 16 year old girl must be. I would want to be more compassionate towards her. How do you know your brother isn't messing with her? No, I wouldn't want her around my kids if she was discussing inappropriate things, but I might reach out to her as an adult who would listen and find out what is really going on in that relationship--with your brother and with her own mother. Things just don't sound right.
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I have to agree with most of the posters. First, I would not bring my kids anywhere near my brother if he had molested me when I was little and was even thought to have done the same thing with his kids. If my parents didn't support me in this, then I would have to accept that. My kids come first. Second, as I have been reading the posts over the past few days, all I see is how mixed up the 16 year old girl must be. I would want to be more compassionate towards her. How do you know your brother isn't messing with her? No, I wouldn't want her around my kids if she was discussing inappropriate things, but I might reach out to her as an adult who would listen and find out what is really going on in that relationship--with your brother and with her own mother. Things just don't sound right.
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I have to agree with most of the posters. First, I would not bring my kids anywhere near my brother if he had molested me when I was little and was even thought to have done the same thing with his kids. If my parents didn't support me in this, then I would have to accept that. My kids come first. Second, as I have been reading the posts over the past few days, all I see is how mixed up the 16 year old girl must be. I would want to be more compassionate towards her. How do you know your brother isn't messing with her? No, I wouldn't want her around my kids if she was discussing inappropriate things, but I might reach out to her as an adult who would listen and find out what is really going on in that relationship--with your brother and with her own mother. Things just don't sound right.
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I said you "believe him to be" a child molester because you also implied he was not convicted of it. I'm just surprised, if you were molested by him as well, that you seem to have no empathy for this girl who is living with him, who is clearly screwed up, and your big concern is that she was talking about sex and acting inappropriately at your parents' home. I just think that is such a small issue to be the main complaint in your thread, considering all the additional information you've added on.
The rest of your post - I don't need to know all the details about all the people in your family you are helping out or how full your plate is. We all have family burdens to varying degress. I just found it shocking - more so now that you've given more history about your brother - shocking that you don't care about what might be happening to this child. People make anonymous calls to CPS all the time. They come and check the house. You know where he lives, I assume. You don't need the child's last name.
I didn't say that you are supposed to perfect because you quote the bible, I just think you came across as pretty heartless when it comes to this girl.
Actually, I don't know where he lives. I think it is over by Portage or Lake Station maybe. I don't know what school the kid goes to. I don't have a phone number for him either. I dont' have his email adress and he has me blocked on FB. Don't know hte kids last name? The only reason I may suspect he is touching her is simply because of his past which cannot be proved in court. So what could I tell CPS? When the DA was trying to build the case against him for his DDs I was going ot testify and my family knew it. Yeah, I am pretty heartless when it comes to the people the idiot brings in and out of the family. I am heartless when it comes to him. I forgave him for what he did to me years ago. He is only 4 yrs older than me. I truly felt what happened to me had to do with spite and revenge against my parents for making him move and switch schools in high school.

Did your parents know he molested you? If not, why not? If they did, did they not believe you? I'd have a problem with my parents if they didn't support me against a sibling that was abusing me. I agree with calimari that the family dysfunction seems to go much deeper than just a misbehaving teen at a party.
My parents believed it was consentual. When he raped me a couple years later they didn't believe me and I let it go. I regret that now. When the whole thing came up with the girls I made sure my entire family heard me. I reached out to my neices. I testified in court in their custody battle (between the mom and my folks, idiot was in jail for something). Idiot has deep issues. On a good day he will only emotionally be a 12 yr old. Part of that is probably due to being put on an electric fence as a child and then someone turning it on. Strong enough to send him flying. He has been in and out of jail since 18 and spent a large amout of time in a psych hospital. CPS made my parents kick him out of hte house at 16 for what he did to me. Either he had to go or I would go into foster care. I wish my folks had let me go instead of him. I am a survivor and I would have come out on top. He didn't. He never recovered from that. He is incapable of succeeding in relationships or jobs. When mom dies he is in a world of hurt because none of the rest of us will carry him. The girl I am sure does have a colorful past. I don't know where the dad is, how many siblings she has, what her relatioship with her mother is, nothing. I know she ran away--from my mom. I know she has had a lot fo trouble in school--from my mom. Actually anything and everything I know about this girl is from my folks so it is all second hand.
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I have to agree with most of the posters. First, I would not bring my kids anywhere near my brother if he had molested me when I was little and was even thought to have done the same thing with his kids. If my parents didn't support me in this, then I would have to accept that. My kids come first. Second, as I have been reading the posts over the past few days, all I see is how mixed up the 16 year old girl must be. I would want to be more compassionate towards her. How do you know your brother isn't messing with her? No, I wouldn't want her around my kids if she was discussing inappropriate things, but I might reach out to her as an adult who would listen and find out what is really going on in that relationship--with your brother and with her own mother. Things just don't sound right.
If I were to reach out to her that would only entangle my life my life with my brothers and I don't want that.
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I have to agree with most of the posters. First, I would not bring my kids anywhere near my brother if he had molested me when I was little and was even thought to have done the same thing with his kids. If my parents didn't support me in this, then I would have to accept that. My kids come first. Second, as I have been reading the posts over the past few days, all I see is how mixed up the 16 year old girl must be. I would want to be more compassionate towards her. How do you know your brother isn't messing with her? No, I wouldn't want her around my kids if she was discussing inappropriate things, but I might reach out to her as an adult who would listen and find out what is really going on in that relationship--with your brother and with her own mother. Things just don't sound right.
I think this was the largest point to be addressed, and the business with your niece second.
....why do you put your kids in an evironment with a known (yes, not convicted) sexual predator? I know he's family..but my god.
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Whew! Okay, let's take a breath and calm ourselves. I so understand where you're at. I have a weird family dynamic, too, and have often felt abandoned or unprotected by some of my family members in favor of another who has done me wrong.
While the 16-yr old clearly needs help and intervention, you are not the person to do that. Your relationship just isn't - nor will it ever be - the kind where anything you do will be seen as "helping". Any effort on your part to help her will only worsen the already awful family dynamic that is going on. The best you can do is pray that someone close to her intervenes. Let's lift that expectation off you.
From my own perspective of being much in the same kind of family, I have to question the desire to "honor" your father and mother. I think the need to stay engaged is deeper than that. By your own report, only your father believes you. If you stop going to see your parents, you lose the one ally you've got in the family. Without you being there your dad could start believing all the naysayers in the family and turn against you. That would be a huge emotional loss. And if you stop going to see your parents - if you put your foot down - it justifies all the stuff everyone else is saying about you. If you stop being the "good girl" you might lose your family forever. They'll turn their backs on you as soon as you refuse to continue in the game. That's a risky proposition when you already have lost so much.
The problem is, once we're abused and abandoned as children, it becomes very difficult to know where to set boundaries as adults. Our boundaries have been violated so many times, we can't get a sense of where normal limits are supposed to be. We are driven to make everything okay and take on much more than we should. We help everyone else - the child that needs a home, the family that needs food, the parents that didn't protect us - but never ourselves. You've already got so much on your plate - a hubby with multiple medical problems and at least one high-needs child. This is what abused children do. We keep piling it on because we don't know that a healthy "no" even exists.
My own experience is that there is no way to safely keep playing the family's game. It is either black or white. Engage or disengage. I opted to disengage. I simply couldn't allow the hurts inflicted on me by my family to keep happening. I didn't want more bad memories. I didn't want that for my kids. I especially drew the line when I saw my family engage my husband in their emotional tug of war. My husband - the natural peacekeeper (who else would I have chosen as a mate?) - wanted to side with everyone in the family when I felt strongly he needed to be on my side; be my protector - the protector I never had. I had to disengage so that dynamic would end.
I love my family but I can't see them in a group. I can see them one-on-one, with limits, and with an escape plan. This is why I recommended that you see your parents when your brother isn't there. Be pleasant about it. Tell mom and dad you're doing it so as to not cause any hardship ON THEM. You don't want to create a tense environment for them in their own house. You want them to be able to enjoy the time with their grandchildren and you, not worry about what new thing brother might do that will upset you.
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Aliadam ... she was TWELVE. Whatever was happening in the adult world probably didn't make a lot of sense to a child who was already wounded and confused by her messed-up family. I wouldn't be looking for any explanations of what happened in the past. She certainly won't get any clarity from the adults in her family NOW. She remembers what she remembered. It probably will never make sense.
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Cookie, you are very much correct on a lot of things. (oh, and I have always been calm. Takes a lot more than a highly opinionated conversation to get my ruffles up) You did a better job of saying some things than I did. Like I am not the one to help save this girl. You are also right about why I stay engaged and play the game. THere is more. I am an only child by birth. All of my siblings are steps. My mom died when I was 12 so my dad is all I had. I am not willing to lose him. Also, I am the baby in my dads family. Of 30+ cousins (and over 20 second cousins) I am the youngest. I did not grow up with a relationship with my cousins. I regret that. My dad grew up with my cousins, not me. I don't want that for my kids. In losing my mom I lost her whole family. My uncle and his whole family, who I thought I meant something to, up and moved to another state without so much as a goodbye much less a forwarding adress or phone number. My aunt, who is also my godmother, pretty much did the same thing. The one aunt I talk to abuses my grandmother. My grandmother is losing her mind, literally. These 2 don't ever call, and never had. Any communication has been on my end only. It makes me sad to think how hurt my mother would be. I am not losing my dad, sorry. I am not going to let my kids lose their grandparents either.
God has also both blessed and cursed me with a forgiving heart. I forgive if you hurt me but not when you hurt someone I love. I forgive but I don't forget. I can also tell you that the years of 11-14 blur together for me so not all things I remember may be in order. Me being molested by a not even yet stepbrother yet who was only 4 yrs older than me came to an abrupt end when he had a mental breakdown, ending up in a psych ward. He told the counselors what he did. He never came home. Instead he bounced from relative to relative. I was told as an adult that child services wouldn't allow him to come home. Believe it or not I found healing and forgiveness. We went on to have a very close, healthy sibling relationship until he hurt his daughters. I truly never saw him as a predator but rather a victim of circumstance like me. I never thought he would hurt a child. I believed in my heart of hearts that what he did to me was really out of spite and revenge to our parents. I see it differently now.
THere are a lot of pedifiles out there. Alot. At least I know where this one is when he is around my kids. I can also tell you where the registered ones are in my neighborhood. To know the evil is better than not knowing. You can't protect yourself or your children from what you do not know.
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